we need to reclaim programming as something for everyone
we need to reclaim it as a thing to use for fun and as a personal tool, instead of something you learn for careers to impress corporations
computer programming should be a place where misogyny, sexism, corporations, and capitalism don't belong
@ky0ko I would totally use the CSL if I thought I had the tiniest chance of getting it enforced.
@LogicalDash @ky0ko You don't need to choose a license based on how well you think you can enforce it. Just pick one that causes corporate vampires to hiss in pain at the mere mention of its name.
Same goes for a code of conduct. You don't need to actively enforce it, its presence alone naturally cleans the surrounding area.
@flussence @ky0ko ok, well, by those lights the AGPL is the better choice because existing corporate policies mention it specifically
@LogicalDash @ky0ko yeah, AGPL is a known value so it's extremely reliable for keeping them away. But at the same time, nothing scares corporate exploiters as much as someone deviating from their script.
If you want to give them a headache, you could always dual-license under both.
@LogicalDash @ky0ko What is the CSL? Wikipedia didn't help
@ky0ko I'd recommend using AGPLv3 even for non-networked systems exactly for this reason. So that Google et al can't grift on it.
@skarabrae
This is very prudent. In a mobile Diplomacy game I ran for awhile, the original developer only wanted to build the client. The server, he forked from a desktop application and created a thin shell to expose it to the network
@ky0ko
@ky0ko the AGPL is one of the best software licenses
@ky0ko computer programming could also become a basis for expressing imperative logic that can help people learn to do things other than program computers, something that should be made accessible to everyone in the same way maths or natural language should be.
@ky0ko I still remember one of my first introductions to the concept of programming was Clarissa Explains It All, where a young Melissa Joan Hart programmed her own simple games as a way of stress relief, often about dealing with her annoying younger brother, not unlike the simple conceptual games I see pop up still today
@ky0ko yes please!
@ky0ko this but also as an impetus to create more fun and enjoyable ways to learn how to code that isnt reading a dry clinical book or using bloody codecademy or watching a video that drones on for hours
corporate "software engineering" and willful discrimination go hand and hand in this world we live in, and we need to be actively hostile to both
which is why i'm considering moving some of my stuff to be AGPLv3