i just don't get how so many people seem to be capable of saying "we need to artificially create work that doesn't need to be done so that people have jobs" with a straight face

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"automation is bad because people will lose jobs" excuse me? you may want to consult your nearest 6 year old on this one

@xnx38h in my experience most people saying this have made the experience that not many people can live a dignified life in our society without a job. So I believe the problem is that they don't believe that such a society could exist or that the remaining work would be split in a fair manner.
And let's be real that's a big possibility if it's not done right. But automation will come anyways so it also is a self fulfilling prophecy...

@xnx38h their talk of 'jobs' is a blind. a distraction. sleight of hand.

the basic premises of capitalism are 'idle hands will kill us' and 'nonparticipants must be exiled or killed'. politics and vulture capitalism are set up the way they are set up to protect the power base of the hyper-rich.

as far as I can tell, automation is already being used pretty much anywhere and everywhere that it can be - provided it does not violate those basic premises in the process.

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