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Carbon neutrality 

It really gets me that all those big companies claim to be carbon neutral but meanwhile they keep on fueling consumerism which causes huge amounts of emissions through the sales of their products and services.
Put it differently, these companies simply ignore the externalities resulting from their existence and their drive to maximise revenue.

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Carbon offsets 

Also, that carbon neutrality is mostly achieved by buying carbon offsets which is at best a very limited resource and at worst a total scam:
* Even if it would work as well as possible, the earth’s land ecosystems can only hold enough additional vegetation to absorb 40 - 100 GtCO₂e from the atmosphere.
* Once this additional growth is achieved (and that takes decades), there is no capacity for additional carbon storage on land.
* The world emits 55 GtCO₂e into the atmosphere per year. So all we can offset is 2 year’s emissions at most.

So even if it would work (but zero evidence so far), offsetting is not a sustainable solution: it is too little and too late because we need to cut emissions dramatically (by 40 GtCO₂e per year) in the next 20 years.

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Not to mention most of the land those offsets would be planted on is currently used to feed or house over 7 billion people and their livestock, most offset funded trees are not looked after once they're in the ground and die within a year, and 10-20% of the available land will be rendered uninhabitable by climate change before this century is over.
Offsetting is just a Green-themed Ponzi Scheme that will never achieve any positive results.

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@LearnTribe I agree. The figures I presented are absolute best case ignoring all that. But it shows that even that most optimistic scenario is still a scam.

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@wim_v12e >Once this additional growth is achieved (and that takes decades), there is no capacity for additional carbon storage on land.
Not if you harvest and char that biomass. I ran the numbers for Sweden a while back and came to the conclusion that we could become carbon negative today if we wanted to. There's no money in burying biochar however.
This is part of the reason why I've been saying that the only way out is a global democratic planned economy.

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@sa2tms What means "to char"? The only meaning I know is "to turn into charcoal". Is that it?

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@wim_v12e Yes. That way it doesn't rot, which would release methane. You get syngas as a byproduct, which can be converted to oil via the Fischer-Tropsch method.
Whether charring or burying the biomass as-is is better in terms of CO2 equivalents is something I don't fully know yet. Main point is that we perform arboriculture to do this, not treating forests as static things but a slower form of agriculture.
Other things to do include rationing meat, rationing fuel, expanding public transport etc..

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@sa2tms That is interesting, I didn't know about syngas etc.
I agree with all the rest, and in fact I also think a global planned economy would be ideal.

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@wim_v12e it's more or less en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BECCS but just accepting that it's not "economically viable" according to bourgeois economy. it's simply another tool in the 'ol planning box

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