i’m convinced there are numerous non-human sapient species on earth but an anthropocentrism practiced at scale denies us the opportunity to discover or explore these frontiers

it’s been shown that you can teach various species intermediary languages (amy the gorilla speaking sign language, for instance) so pure translation matrices aren’t necessary for meaningful communication. moreover peoples around the world have historically developed complex material relationships with animal communities using what can be considered gift economies. for instance it’s actually pretty simple to establish trade relationships with crows 🐦

for those wondering how to establish trade relations with crows:

- feed crows food A regularly
- when crows decide to bring you gifts, feed them food B
- when crows bring you different categories of gifts, feed them a food-per-category, ex: food C for jewelry, food D for paper money, etc
- crows will recognize these exchange patterns and opt to bring you things in order to acquire desired treats

good luck! 🐦

I wonder if you can do something similar with octopuses... 🐙

@InvaderXan @garbados I have a feeling octopuses would figure out a way to hack their reward function

@garbados @InvaderXan I think an octopus would figure out a way to circumvent your rewarding somehow

I'm not sure myself, I'm not as smart as an octopus

@pagrus @garbados @InvaderXan octopuses are probably the closest we've got to an alien intelligence on Earth beside birds. They're incredibly intelligent.

@polychrome @pagrus @garbados
Also a remarkable example of convergent evolution – their eyes work in the same way as ours despite their evolutionary line separating off long before our eyes evolved.

Cephalopods fascinate me for a lot of reasons.

@InvaderXan @polychrome @garbados they are so great.one of our octos died a couple weeks ago and I will be sad for a while about that

@InvaderXan @polychrome @garbados thanks, i'm just a volunteer but it's still a pretty significant event

Have any of you read "The Soul of the Octopus?" It's all about cephalopod intelligence.

I can't remember if it was that book or somewhere else where I read a story of someone who used their hands to communicate with cuttlefish. They have 10 tentacles.

Sorry to hear about your octo. ☹️

@InvaderXan @polychrome @garbados

@solarpunkgnome @pagrus @InvaderXan @polychrome @garbados Oh goodness, I would love to know where you found that! I've tried making hand-shapes at the cuttlefish at the New England Aquarium, but only once or twice did they seem to respond...

I suspect my hands need to have chromatophores for it to really work. Special gloves? :-D

@solarpunkgnome @pagrus @InvaderXan @polychrome @garbados Ah, I vaguely remember this!

I did know about the greeting pose, but didn't have much luck with it.

@varx @solarpunkgnome @pagrus @polychrome @garbados
Similar little story...

One time I was at an aquarium and saw a timid little cuttlefish hiding in the back of a tank. So I crouched down so it was at eye level and waggled my fingers against the glass.

That got it’s attention and it came out and touched one arm against the glass, where my fingers were. Sadly, some douche with a camera flash scared it away.

@varx @solarpunkgnome @pagrus @polychrome @garbados
I totally made a little friend though 🙂 I always like to try and make friends with random animals.

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