@vantablack it's bad when capitalists come out with it; much worse when self-described socialists agree

@vantablack not to mention that capitalism actively prohibits inventions, by taking away resources a large portion of the population and require each innovation to pay it's investments back, within 6 months or so

@vantablack Any bootlicker/capitalist who tells you capitalism is somehow science's friend is FULL OF SHIT, full stop. In fact, hardly anything is WORSE for science than capitalism! Capitalism places the profit motive above any supposed truth motive, and that need for immediate market utility means researchers research what capitalists want them to research, and have to beg on bended knee for research money, either to the government, which throws them hardly anything relative to what the government takes in, or to for-profit companies who fold them into R&D departments with commercial motives.

@vantablack The reason that academia is so cutthroat and shitty personalities within it are seemingly allowed to run buck wild is because there is so little of it to go around in the end. If you want to study what you please and do the research you want, then you must go into academia, and they only accept maybe, MAYBE, the top 5-10% of even those who have completed postdocs, at which point their life consists of mostly teaching courses on top of their research (exhausting on its most lenient possible day) and writing grant proposals to beg for cash. Otherwise, they work for companies which tell them exactly what they will be "researching." Bullshit.

@vantablack Sorry to get all reply guy over this, it just really pushes my personal buttons that I can't actually live the dream of doing weird kooky mad scientist-tier research because I have to survive.

@vantablack Actually capitalism can be very anti-science. Witness all the global warming denial from the carbon fuel companies and the politicians in their pay.

@vantablack Sophistry. Capitalism promotes innovation by economically incentivizing improvements in existing technology. This incentive promotes rapid technological advancement over time.

Pre-capitalist society had invention, yes, but the pace of change was slow because of the tenuous connection between the innovator and the economic effects of his innovation.

Also, in pre-industrial society it was often cheaper to steal through warfare than to properly innovate.

@vantablack Tetris, one of the most successful computer games in history, was invented in Soviet Russia. :thinknyan:

@vantablack This meme makes a fallacy called "hasty generalization" en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty

Many science researchs are influenced by the (capitalist) society were they are conceived, planed, managed and developed; for example neuromarketing.
Many technologies around us probably wouldn't exist without capitalism; for example Facebook.

@vantablack science and technology ecosystem in a non-capitalist society would be absolutely different!

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