The thing people miss about is: it's not that Linux users are using Linux purely for ideology, in most cases. If I could get everything done on Windows in a similar amount of time with a similar level of satisfaction, I probably would.

But I can't. I can't use a tiling WM. I can't use BTRFS or ZFS for my external storage cluster. I can't have a decent package manager or functioning containerization or a command-line driven workflow.


I can't tune my power saving parameters. I can't have ten workspaces that I switch between easily. I can't use the custom symbol inserter I wrote, which is way faster than any other I've used on _any_ platform.

I can't get my work done as effectively. I also wouldn't enjoy it! Using windows annoys me constantly with little things: the way the start menu works, the way applications lay themselves out on the screen, the way the login screen works, the network preferences and device listing being buried.

I don't use Linux due for ideological reasons. I care about free software as an ideology because using Linux, Firefox, and other free software has made my life better.

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All this to say: don't come after desktop Linux because it doesn't solve your problems as well as other operating systems.

Linux and the free software ecosystem are developed by volunteers. We cannot expect them to be at the same level of support and polish as commercial software products.

I don't "enjoy the kind of computing we had in the mid 2000s". It solves my problems and nothing else does. Please don't condescend to me and people like me and/or assume that things would somehow be easier elsewhere.

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@tindall I can't use half the flexibility linux gives, but what I can use just makes everything better. A few times I've ended up with a Windows computer, and I've never lasted more than a few months before getting fedup and re-formatting as linux.

@jessmahler @tindall every time i boot
i fire up a terminal and

sudo -H apt update ; and sudo -H apt upgrade ; and sudo -H apt autoremove

@tindall I am with you 100%. Linux feels like it was made specifically for me. Windows feels like it was made for someone who has a completely different set of needs so far removed from my own that it's almost comical.

@tindall i completely agree with what you are saying.

just want to add a minor bit of context about the volunteer community around desktop linux. i know for a fact that some of the commercial players in the open source world (eg Red Hat, SUSE, Canonical) are putting time and money into improving this, but it's still an uphill battle.

we've come a long way since the days of /only/ volunteer contributors, and i think the success of FOSS in the datacenter and embedded worlds are validations of that effort.

@tindall that's still ideological, it's just a different ideology.

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