rule of thumb: decentralised technology is only as good as the least technically inclined user who is empowered run it themselves

bittorrent: this is the benchmark
fediverse: good luck mate

twitter.com/SoatokDhole/status

this is of course made worse by the fact that the platform era of the internet has abstracted and disempowered the average user to maintain their own independent web presence

I still firmly believe we need to reclaim web 1.0 and the good bits of 2.0; build a website, write a blog, follow each others’ RSS feeds, and help each other to do so

@ticky technically Alien Swarm: Reactive Drop is decentralized and I have a pretty good amount of trust in the least technically inclined user being able to click "play online" and then "play with friends"

@ticky I’m scared of the responsibility of keeping 24/7 uptime, I’m worried I’d break it somehow! 😅

@ticky I agree but even in the website era most people didn't run their own host.
We have always been vulnerable to this

@ticky Indieweb is all about that! Self-ran sites. RSS. Protocols to interact with the other sites. Ability to syndicate content, and also being able to post to fedi if desired.

@TakeV @ticky this 🙃

Running all three on mine. ActivityPub, Webmention (IndieWeb) _and_ RSS.

There are some caveats tho and this is definitely not easy for not so tech savy people. This must improve.

@bekopharm @ticky Absolutely. I was running WordPress and the indieweb plug-ins for about a year, but the site died.
Presently I am making my own CMS, with the goal of getting a new site running quickly and easily.

@TakeV heh, I've no idea how but my WP installation is crawling along since 2004 🙃

Probably undead at this point.

Anyway please do and best of luck! Choice is good.

@TakeV @ticky I havent heard of IndieWeb before, I need to look into this. Any useful links on it you can send would be delightful :)

@ticky RSS is so good (conceptually I can't say a lot for the state of the standards) it's sad that everything became centralized

@transmundane @ticky but we know why it happened. Convenience. The masses tend to take the path of least friction, and aggregate to whatever their most familiar people wind up in.

And then the transition happened so quickly.

And then "influencers" were born from festering pile, powered by sponsorships, and so many people wanted to be an influencer because it looked like a fun ideal "job".

The internet got insane really quickly.

@Ky unlike back in the day things where sponsorship didn't exist... b/c baywatch is a myth? also those photos of celebs holding products are faked... also sports money just comes from the aether... ads are new things i guess... /s but also way to be a stereotype lol

@dirething bit different, those celebrities had a far and wide reach before the internet.

But they didn't get famous for being FROM the internet, they got famous elsewhere.

Waynes World highlighted this nonsense.

Show me an "influencer" (as we define it today) from the age of chat rooms and forums, geocities and angelfire, that kind of thing. I'm sure one or two unicorns might have existed, but im not talking about "That one guy who posted in everything and everyone in the General forum knew"

@dirething but also it took a bit of effort to get to that status in the first place. You had to be on TV, or put out a great song, or produce a profoundly impactful piece of art like a painting or something.

These days, you can just following a fuckload of accounts on twitter, get some follow backs, prune, rinse and repeat until you got 5k followers, then start asking for "representation". It's not exactly hard to do 🤷‍♂️

@Ky so many untruths and honesly bad metrics of worth. I'll just mute this thread. ✌🏽

@ticky I love blogs, but it's just a bit hard to find the good ones, if I want to stay away from major corps. Is there a good way to search for those private blogs?

@RetroJohn@walkman.social @ticky@cybre.space Good Blogs are surely hard to find in the web we live in. (Speaking from experience here) Discoverability is hard especially if you want to run said blog privacy-conscious.

The commercialized web makes it very hard to be found without appeasing to the search-engine overlords by doing SEO.

Its kinda sad really. The only solution I could think of is to just have open eyes and look around some places like fedi

@stefan @ticky I'm glad that it isn't me who can't figure out how to find them. I feels like it's imposible to avoid sites like blogger.com, or wordpress (etc.) servers.

@RetroJohn@walkman.social @ticky@cybre.space It is kinda hard I would say. Since blogger and stuff like medium tend to feature a lot of stuff under one roof making it far easier to discover stuff. While I am using wordpress for the “big" blog and plume for the "smaller" one both are self-hosted so discovering any of those two would requiere either good word of mouth and/or a good ranking on the big search engines so you have even a chance to get noticed.

Either that or you a genius in social media marketing and the algorythm likes you.

@stefan
@ticky I normally like longer form text - which is why I like Mastodon better than Twitter - but I feel like the social aspect of blogs is the hardest thing (for me at least). I guess most people write blogs because they want them to be read. And I mostly felt like I writing to a public of zero, when I've tried to make a blog happen.

@RetroJohn@walkman.social @ticky@cybre.space It is kinda like that at first. Sometimes I still think that way. Though through some netwotking I have atleast some people that read the stuff I write. Not many but some.

I met some really nice people getting that blog somewhere. Some of them I even call my friends and blog collegue-writers by now. So I think it was worth it.

That said I still had the likes of twitter and youtube to even achieve that much.

@ticky Some of us never stopped. My blog hit it's 13th anniversary on 17th. Just my place where I talk about nonsense that is important to me... mostly games.

@ticky I’ve been advocating this for years

No one listens

Because you can’t be a sponsored global influencer on a special interest group when your reach is only a couple thousand or so lol

But I truly believe the best internet was an interconnected set of communities that while separate, everyone could find a special home base to be in.

Also yeah my bookmark folder of “friends sites” has diminished to nothing and I’d like to see that filled out again

@Ky

Yes... I remember that "people" folder in the bookmarks bar. It is non existent today.

The few remaining people i personally know that still have websites, or rather blogs, luckily have RSS, so I don't need a bookmark anyway.

But still...

@ticky

@aslmx @ticky aye, the only ones I could follow with RSS are the ones with wordpress powered sites right now, and the last entry is from 2020 :\

@ticky What may happen in the future is that people will eventually get to own their identity on the internet and thereby have a namespace they can do whatever they want with. The storage will be distributed. I've been keeping a close eye on Unlimited Domans and IPFS and digital ID tech. Until then, to really go Indie, you have to host your own literal site and the single point of failure is still your hardware.

@tkenben I’m not really convinced that single point of failure is an issue for most people, owning your own space is much more important than the content of your space being distributed/immutable, and already entirely practical with current technology and hosting providers

@ticky Owning your own space is fine. Are you proposing everything is word of mouth? Meaning, instead of DNS, you have web rings and publicly available "lists" of IP addresses? I could live in such a world. As for decentralized, I was just saying I'm pretty sure that will be the norm in the future, not a requirement; it will simply become convention.

@tkenben no, I’m just saying I don’t think there’s an inherent problem with DNS as it currently exists

@ticky With DNS, you don't really own your space. Your domain provider does. Well, actually ICANN has complete control. But, if there's no issue there, then you're fine.

So, in this scenario, a person that wants a space just has to sign up with a provider, get a digital certificate, pay the yearly fee, and host a web server. I'm confused. People already do this. Are you saying it would be better if everyone did?

@tkenben I’m saying that with the advent of platform capitalism this has become something only highly technical people do; writing simple HTML used to be a normal skill for average people on the web (see all of geocities’ history, neopets, every site hosted on ISP web space, for examples), today’s siloed platforms traded ownership for convenience

@ticky I see. Doesn't DNS effectively separate you from the silo, though? You still own the data unless you are using an app where you agreed that you don't (like youtube or centralized social media).

I guess I'm being silly, though. I see where you are coming from. You have autonomy of the content that only you are responsible for.

@ticky Agreed, I was disappointed with the
decline of RSS with the wider web. But discovered that there is a
wonderful community on the #fediverse that has been consistently
using #rss. @Seirdy

@ticky wtf any one them are talking about, I firmly believe they have no idea how it feels/works

@charlag do you not recall all the waves of Twitter exodus which resulted in mastodon.social getting most of the users? lol

@ticky yes I know people keep signing up on m.s. also thanks to garg because it's the first damn instance in all lists and apps

I'm just getting the impression from that twitter thread that they think that there's no "network effect here" and someone suggest that it should "replicate"

like what do you think is happening now lmao

@ticky the same people who were customizing their myspace with html can barely find their own download folder today.

I say this not to be cynical but to point out that it is not a matter of intellect, it's a matter of providing people with the tools. I hope we can get back to that point, people are more than capable of doing things if they have the empowerment and the desire

@68km yes, of course it is, that’s what I mean by the disempowerment, HTML is easy, we just don’t get to write it on the platforms

@ticky sorry, I was agreeing with you. I agree that the net should be as easy as possible for people to express themselves on their own terms

@68km It appears I was following a chain of public toots that lead to this one. Still don't know what's so inappropriate about commenting on a public platform.

@dusnm you weren't replying publicly 🤦‍♀️

Look, I'm sorry for bringing it up. There's a cultural difference between fosstodon and much of the rest of the fedi. If you really want to get an understanding of what I tried to explain in my first toot then look up what a "reply guy" is -- and I'm being sincere here, if you really want to know then try to understand that concept with a sincere approach.

Unfortunately fosstodon's moderators know that there are certain social missteps that bother people on the fedi but they do not care and actively avoid helping their users learn them. They prefer to have the rest of the fediverse block the entire server, which in my opinion is a wrong decision on their part.

@68km
I use the official Mastodon app. It seems to set the reply type automatically. There's no way to change post visibility there. 🙂

I'm sorry. It wasn't my intention to come off as rude or anything. Now I'm intrigued about this supposed cultural difference.

I don't think they don't care, I just think It's impossible to effectively moderate thousands upon thousands of interactions.

Cut them some slack, they're all volunteers. 🙂

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