It’s weird seeing tech people complain “Android Queue is lifting the multitasking gestures straight from the iPhone!” when these features in fact originated in webOS on the Palm Prē way back in 2009, and came to the modern form in the Prē 2 in 2010 - bar indicator included!

it’s also important for me to remind you that in 2009 we hadn’t started putting front-facing cameras on phones yet so every model in the Prē series included a selfie mirror which slid out when the keyboard was extended

@ticky let's be honest tho, the bottom slider and the multitasking menu are exactly like in the iPhone, even the physics!

@espectalll they’re extremely close to how the Prē did it, too!

@ticky Well, the Prē had a physical button I guess?

@espectalll yeah, but that served only as “home” - it also had two gesture areas alongside that, which featured almost exactly these multitasking gestures we have today

@espectalll the Prē 2 dropped the button in favour of the pictured LED bar which looks exactly like what’s on the bottom of my iPhone X right now

@ticky also funny because the iphone has lifted everything it's ever done basically

@ticky I've seen tiny fisheye mirrors next to phone cameras, but that's just next-level.

@ticky can I be pedantic and point out that Nokia phones had selfie cameras since at least 2006?

@ticky though the Pre wireless charging feature with the magnet was beyond awesome.

@qwazix IMO, “3G video call” cameras don’t really count, but that’s very subjective!

@ticky now I want to go check if you could actually take selfies with the N95 front camera

@ticky I had a pre and there were some good ideas in it

@whiskeysailor my grey market imported Prē 3 which crashed hard if it saw a 3G tower running the latest firmware was still the best phone I’ve ever owned

@ticky I only had the 1 and last long enough for the Palm to vanish to history

I paid $750 for the webOS tablet and I didn’t consider it a waste of money. It was a joy to write software on.

@ticky That's still my favourite phone. I held onto that as long as I could.

@viciousviscosity me too! Long after my grey market imported Prē 3 started crashing if it saw a 3G tower, I persisted with it on EDGE for a year before relenting and getting an iPhone

@ticky <3 WebOS. I used my TouchPad until I broke the screen - the way HP handled all that is a huge reason I still won't have anything to do with HP to this day.

@viciousviscosity ultimately I think AT&T are the ones who killed it, pulling out on an already-mass-produced phone at the 11th hour and leaving HP to clean up the mess 😕

Ugh, they're even worse. I was already boycotting them.

@viciousviscosity @ticky Yeah, I had a TouchPad and wrote a port of a game for it just as HP killed the Prē and TouchPad. All over internal bullshit politics.

@ticky I used a borrowed Pre 1(?) for a while just before their app store shut down and it's the only time I ever felt like my phone was an actual computer

@ticky also I had a Touchstone wireless charger but something was broken about it :(

@noiob I never had one of those, but now the Prē’s nightstand mode lives on in my Apple Watch. Weird.

@ticky ha, it even attaches the charger using magnets too

@noiob they were, genuinely, extremely fucking good phones

@ticky @noiob I still miss my Pre 2... the oob experience wasn't perfect, but with some creative modifications, it was a dream to use, and the linux chroot/X support was really well implemented

@limni @noiob I never really got the X stuff working - I got as far as fumbling around in Xterm a bit - what else did you get up to in there?

@ticky @limni I didn't even know it could do X stuff, I think the wildest thing I had was a terminal and that wonderful package manager

for some reason the screenfetch script always reported it as running "walm webOS"

@ticky @noiob on the pre, I mostly just tinkered, but my touchpad had a full ubuntu chroot that i did three semesters of c & c++ coursework in, with windowmaker as my wm. it was very silly, but it was better than the old netbook i had been using up until that point

@ticky what's really funny is that windows phone was the first one to copy WebOS, then blackberry did it then andoird and then ios. And yet the last two to add such innovative features from palm are the only ones left standing. Sigh.

@radicalrobit it’s such a shame Windows Phone never managed to become a good OS, it had some excellent ideas and design language but it so dropped the ball, and then was doomed by Windows 8’s massive failure

@ticky I was one of the weirdos that loved it. I liked the UI and I liked the fact you had your choice of phone OEM but got all of your updates straight from MS. It allowed hardware differentiation without the update hell of Android. But Microsoft, microsoft'd it.

@radicalrobit I liked the UI, but during my brief stint with it it was very unpolished - admittedly I dropped it after a couple months so I likely never got many performance or bug fixes - but it still felt like it was built for presenting on a slide deck, not real use. The typical Microsoft sleaze of nudging you into using Outlook and IE sure wasn’t great either, and of course IE couldn’t really deal with the mobile web very well even then.

@ticky WP8 and Windows 10 mobile were what it should have been from the start. WP7 was very much rushed out the door and it felt that way.

@radicalrobit I feel that, but as someone who was totally into what they did with WP7 and Windows 8, 8.1 and 10’s massive change of direction sucked to see. I still maintain that if Microsoft had had the foresight to make Metro its own thing it wouldn’t have had to become the awkward shadow of its former self it is now. If it hadn’t had to be Windows, too.

@ticky @annika I wish webOS was still around as a mobile and desktop OS. Now it’s reduced to LG TVs

@ticky Loved webOS, Still have a soft spot for it, even though I only had the Palm Pixi (+) and would have to start throwing away cards after launching 3 apps, was the most simple phone OS i've ever used.

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