Hey, y'all-- Facebook recently announced they're launching a "Patreon killer" service.

Regardless of your thoughts on Patreon, FB's alternative is TERRIBLE!

⚠️ 30% gross revenue fee
⚠️ Automatic LIFETIME IP rights to ANYTHING you put on the service
even if you quit!
⚠️ FB wants to give discounts and freebies whenever they like, w/o creator approval, and then deduct it from creator revenue
⚠️ FB will also control WHO sees your content and how many views you have


Oh yeah, did I mention that, this being facebook, they'll control the size of your audience?

Who sees your work, how many viewers you have--it will all be directly in their hands, NOT yours.

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I know facebook is pretty hated here (with good reason), but I hope as many artists as possible hear about this and stay the FUCK away from it.

Those of us who are a bit older may remember TokyoPop. That seemed like a dream opportunity for young creators-- get your work published! But it was all a scam designed to prey on people who weren't experienced enough to know a bad creator deal.

A LOT of folks got burned by TokyoPop. And this FB thing looks even worse.

So PLEASE tell your art friends!

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@katwylder can you tell me more about TokyoPop's shadiness?

I only remember it from the consumer end of things.

@polychrome Oof. the TokyoPop thing was... a LOT. (FYI, I was never directly involved in it, I've only seen the fallout.) I will try to be brief.

So, TP made a name for itself by importing some popular titles, and keeping manga in its original format. (Early manga was always flipped.) But eventually, they weren't content with focusing on quality. They wanted *quantity*, and flooded the market by licensing anything they could get their hands on, regardless of how good it was.


@polychrome Meanwhile, the CEO was an "ideas guy" not a "running a business effectively guy." So TP did a million things half-assed, instead of a few things well. Including Original English Language (OEL) titles.

First they basically underpaid OEL creators. Then, they changed from that to essentially asking for spec work. Submit work -> then get paid IF you're accepted.

The contracts were terrible, too. IP rights, moral rights (i.e., right to be credited) all signed away for a song.


Things like this constantly keep appearin in my timeline: online companies abusing their users. (Just minutes ago there was this talk about email, and I remembered how protonmail cancelled a user's account without giving explanations)

Technology cannot save us from corporations (wasn't this one of the main lessons in cyberpunk?).

The only way to save ourselves is not to depend on corporations in the first place. We need reliable non-profit services.

@rick_777 @katwylder no arguement about needing reliable non-profit services. I haven't seen anyone try to establish a non-profit publishing operation tho.

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