The depressing thing with plastic waste is that we had the infrastructure to re-use packaging in every way, and we demolished it. From the milk-man who took the empty bottles back to returnable beverage bottles, and people taking their own packaging to the grocer to put foodstuffs in, be it cheese, olives, beans or whatever.

Now we have to build the infrastructure and the mindset again. Before it's too late.

@freyja_wildes @qwazix good(-ish) news! there's a company that makes bike panniers out of plastic waste recovered from the oceans, primarily fishing nets!

@qwazix When I go to a supermarket and everything is wrapped in plastic. Everything.
Every two weeks or so, I throw out about 10kg of 'recycling'.

Recently watching Chernobyl, it reminded me of Soviet Union, where everything was either minimally packaged or recycled relentlessly.

My conclusion thus far -- we are too rich to care about the environment. Things will only change after the environmental catastrophe (which is coming).

@avolkov yeah. I'm constantly fighting with shopkeepers that are so proud that are ignoring the new law that requires them to charge for plastic bags...

"I don't need the bag, man, I'm not trying to save 4 cents".

Also, bags have become heavier since the new law.

And I've seen countless people argue for their "right" to a free bag, or stealing bags in order to "stick it to the man".

It's depressing really.

@qwazix Our throwaway society was built to ensure more profit was funneled to the top 0.1%, while the bulk of society descended into poverty.

The US dairy industry is a mess, our farmers make ~$20k a year, having none of the cushioning that our neighbors to the north have with a managed production system (which helps the avg Canadian farmer earn ~$100k a year IIRC at a nominal food cost difference).

We need to reform US agriculture rapidly.

@bikecurious while I'm sure it helped, I don't think this required any planning. People will subscribe to throwing away anything that's cheap, and plastic is cheap. If we don't want to make it costlier we must charge for it's disposal.

@qwazix Yes! Not only that, but communities planned to make most amenities walkable, bikeable, or available by delivery. And a denser intercity railway network... We built our way into a mess with mass-manufactured cars and cheap gas. We didn't understand the costs... and are still having trouble understanding in the US, apparently.


I guess that the milkman's salary wasn't nowadays minimum wage...
That's something to take into account.

@LienRag @qwazix

There are still milk deliveries with reused glass bottles in England. It's possible to do this and meet labour standards.

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