@somethingRight it's closed source and for profit, they record EVERYTHING, their desktop client is js based and a memory hog, and most importantly it's used as home base for terrible people to do terrible things.

I agree that being closed source sucks, and that recording data is shitty, but i wouldn't say that makes it harmful. I don't blame them for doing what they have to to keep their business afloat, even if i don't like it. And i dont think that shitty people using it is their fault, i guarantee if it was open source and instance based like mastodon is, there'd be arguably more shitty people

@somethingRight see, the difference is that I absolutely *do* blame them for that.

The fact that discord is considered "the standard", when matrix and mumble exist and work perfectly fine for the same use case, even among FOSS supporters, is very troubling to me.

I think that discord is how they are because, quite honestly, discord is a MUCH better platform in terms of usability.

I don't think they should be considered the standard in terms of business practices, but i think as a platform, purely from a usability standpoint, they're easily the best in the game

Don't get me wrong, i don't like discord as a business. But i honestly haven't found any platforms that match discord in ease of use, aesthetics, good quality video and voice chat, easily manageable servers, all with reliable servers and a good basic chat system. If there's anything that meets those points please enlighten me, I'd love to know

Mumble costs money, and from the times I've used it its ease of use, aesthetics, and voice chat quality are all subpar

@somethingRight @popefucker Ive been running a matrix server for a while and I find that voice calls and even group video are way easier and less buggy on riot/matrix

@postmasterdoggo @somethingRight I didn't like matrix when I used it a while ago, the chat sync was very delayed. Might have just been the shitty ass server I was on though.

I also have a few gripes with the network infra. But meh, maybe when the ipfs network is fancier we can all switch to something based on that

@popefucker @somethingRight

very good benefit: matrix is federated and I can join rooms on other servers.

@postmasterdoggo @somethingRight yeah it's good but it could be better is what I'm sayin

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