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Reading Neuromancer for once and thinking about how it recontextualises noir for a new displacement; noir is a mode and a genre simultaneously, but it’s predicated on postwar masculine anxiety. Case is a voyeur and a cowboy of the next plane, but in our world, he’s a neutered burnout trying to die.

Not done but. Classic Cyberpunk protagonists take from that displacement, the lost archetypes of masculinity seeking some kind of place in the new paradigm, and they never really seem to find it.

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@matilde
Cyberpunk implies dystopia. It's not just the classic cyberpunk cowboy that's affected; Molly was a victim of unemployment and had to resort to prostitution before her pimps even took advantage of her augmentations.
And the reason she chose to be augmented was because banks couldn't be trusted, so she stored all her earnings in herself - 1/3

@matilde

In other words, cyberpunk is oppressive to the point that the only way to get ahead was by breaking the law; the only difference with the real world is that in Classic cyberpunk, there's no omnipotent government punishing you for it.
A natural consequence is that in such oppression (just like in our own), finding a way to express your emotions - towards either creativity or love - becomes too hard if you don't have money - 2/3

@matilde
Girls chase the rich guy for survival, and men crave that richness just to be able to do what they'd naturally do. Economic oppression is a powerful reproductive constraint, and we've seen it firsthand with cases like hikikomoris, the 2D complex and incels.
Capitalism kills love much faster than Big Brother did in 1984. - 3/3

@matilde
In other words, capitalism has managed to turn love into a commodity.

@rick_777 "Just don’t call William Gibson dystopian. The author of the cyberpunk classic Neuromancer, and eight novels since, admits his invented worlds aren’t altogether pleasant places to imagine. But “someone stuck in Darfur right now might be happy to live in them. People who say I’m dystopian are middle class pussies!”

thetyee.ca/Books/2007/10/18/Wi

@rick_777 I don't believe in argument from author statement but, the point is a good one. Dystopian is a value judgment from a specific position. In addition where is love coming from? Love for whom and to what end? To what utility is it in a better society?

@matilde Don't misunderstand me; I'm saying Cyberpunk is a dystopia, but not an extreme one; like you quoted, it's a much milder dystopia than the one we're living in right now.

Post-cyberpunk took that dystopia and turned it into a much better world; one more realistic and at the same time, a happier place to live in.

@matilde That kinda makes me want to see a "The Big Lebowski" of cyberpunk. I did a Big Sleep/Big Lebowski double feature, and it's really interesting to watch this hard dick with a gun and post-WWII PTSD, followed by this soft post-Viet Nam Taoist floating like a leaf through the case

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