look i like provocative humour, i'm into crass stuff but there's behaviour that seems *pulls at shirt* and was it in the 90s too? or is it just different now?

my goal of this thread is not "Frasier Crane is Canceled" it's "was the comedy the same in the 90s but those undertones were more humourous? i don't follow"

@matilde i think major comedies went pretty much unquestioned until like 2015

@matilde yeah, absolutely. I hear the same thing about friends. I remember one of my favorite shows was 3rd rock from the sun and then remember one of the characters was kind of a transphobic joke. It's how it was and thank god we're getting better.

@matilde fraser crane can't be cancelled because he never pretended to be progressive in the first place

@morae i think the character is totally meant to be an upper-class progressive tho

@matilde if anything kelsey grammer was probably using fraser to troll progressives

dude is like the fred thompson of comedy

@matilde pretty much all the stuff was up-front rapey and gross and everyone knew it, but the people in charge of programming *wanted* it that way, forced the complaints to not get any air, and are the very same people who today keep doing the "in the good old days before political correctness!!!!" shit.

@June @matilde lest we forget, Kelsey Grammer is *definitely* one of those people

@morae @matilde that's exactly what I mean, yeah. He's LITERALLY one of these people. Still! We've been enduring reprises of all of these different public figures from the 80s and 90s now.