so here's the deal here's the thing

- if a minor says something's bothering them, it's real
- if a minor says they're trans, it's true
- if a minor has opinions about "adult" level topics, particularly politics, it's valid. probably more valid than your opinion

- they will not "understand when they're older". you failed to understand something when you were young. stop projecting

addendum 2

- the policy of "bathroom control" in american classrooms which appears to extend even to high school is power tripping and misogynist abuse. stop it. get some help

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@IceWolf @haskal I'd say even worse than passes are the classes that would allocate you a certain number of bathroom trips for the school year and if you used them up, too bad should have went before/after class. Usually used in high school classes for general studies tracks and classes you'd see more lower income students in too :/

@haskal @IceWolf @metawish when I first learned about these things in America from some movie I thought it was satire. Then found out they really do that. Ever notice how all American media set in a high school just reinforces that everyone different deserves to be constantly bullied because “that’s just how school is” (upholding the status quo is the real American dream)?

@s0 @haskal @IceWolf @metawish American schools are trauma factories. Moreso as each generation that was produced by 'em becomes teachers & administrators for the next.

@haskal @IceWolf sounds like torture. So what happens if someone soils themselves in class? Guess it is bound to happen sooner or later.

@bootie_fringe @haskal @IceWolf Happened in my Aunties school where she was an assistant in year 3 (so ~6-7 year olds)

Kid asked to go to the toilet, was told the standard "Why didn't you go at break?" (either that or, break is soon go then). Small kid, listens to teacher, clearly busting for a piss, wets self because busting and not allowed to go, but doesn't speak up.

I got in trouble for walking out of a class because I needed a piss and wasn't allowed when I asked. Like, what you gonna do? Physically restrain me? I got away with it because I wasn't a major trouble maker, and I walked out, pissed and came back instead of just ditching (and our school didnd't have passes, you just had to ask permission)


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re: Catholic school flashbacks 

@haskal sounds like American workspaces.

( This is not a defense of the practice. )

@Almafeta yeah

schools just prepare you to be abused by your boss for the rest of your life uwu

@haskal you had to ask in my H.S./middle school but the teachers would never say no. Maybe "can it wait five minutes till we break off for group study?" or something like that. In college you could leave at any time without a word.

@haskal god I wish I had gone to highschool so I could piss my pants in class as a power move

@haskal I find it interesting and horrifying to see how some people flip out when someone actually takes opinions & concerns of minors seriously.

Especially the “protect the children” type ppl seem to feel existentially threatened by minors wanting to speak up for themselves.

@bootie_fringe @haskal shockingly often, parents and adults in charge of children regard them as little more than chaotic objects who can parrot words or are “full of hormones” (as if this means feelings aren’t deeply felt??). I didn’t realise until I was an adult that the way my parents treated me and my brother as autonomous people was unusual.

@haskal Bring on the liberiocracy.

One of the few promises I made to myself when I was very young that I've actually *elaborated* on since: get children in charge of things, and listen to their decisions.

With experience comes some weird game-theory-esque thing where you co-operate with people who only mean you harm, and work to preserve flawed institutions because you're used to them. It's already started affecting *my* decision-making, and I'm barely old.

The old must not rule; only advise.

@haskal this so much!!!! When I was younger I'd say things and have adults tell me "it took me 40 years to [x] trust me you don't know yet" and like??? Shut the fuck up?????

@haskal "you'll understand when you're older" actually translates to "why the hell are you asking me questions and trying to understand stuff, I don't wanna explain it to you because I actually have no idea"

The minor in my head thanks u so much for these words :)

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