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if you're a leftist you probably understand how liberals who are complicit and compromising in Conservative Bullshit are basically part of the problem right?

so if you're on this webbed sight right now and you say "i don't wanna deal with 'the drama' i just wanna be gay" etc then seriously fucking check yourself

you're either anti-racist or part of the problem. i don't wanna see this shit on my TL

@haskal Seeing a lot of "ew conflict and talking about racism and analyzing shitty behaviors, i just wanna go back to shitposting about lesbians and programming languages" and honestly it's the same kind of "trans girls assuming they must be good and never observing their racist behaviors because of that assumption" culture that caused this shit in the first place

@haskal and of course right as I'm posting this someone is complaining to me about having to hear about racist events for a week afterwards.

Imagine having people's posts about a racist thing for a whole week after on your feed, making it clear that said behavior is unacceptable,, and thinking that's a bad thing. "I want this to be shorter. Let's not make sure everyone analyzes their behavior."

I'm pretty sure BIPOC having people ACTUALLY actively fight racism for only a week after someone gets literally pushed off the site because people weren't checking their behaviors and were just relying on some shitty software's report function is more of a problem than you having to hear people talk about racism for a week.

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@haskal I just genuinely lack the mental fortitude to involve myself in these things, especially as frequent as they are

@luna @haskal

by being a mannequin you may lead to a BIPOC who also lacks the mental fortitude to have to experience and become involved in it instead because they cannot just,, not involve themselves in racism.

@viomi @luna @haskal Well we can't stop everything, though.

It's not Your Fault Personally if some racist somewhere in the world does racist stuff.

@viomi @luna @haskal And I mean, of course we should do what we can!

But that means, what we /can/.

And some people can't.

And that's okay.

@IceWolf @luna @haskal

What people can't care enough about BIPOC to stand up for them when they witness racism, and why is that okay?

@viomi @luna @haskal ...wait, is there some big chunk of context I'm missing? Huh.

I figured this was a generalized "you must do anti-racist stuff or You're Bad".

@IceWolf @luna @haskal

Yes. Mint, a BIPOC, had to leave very recently because someone was using blackface, and all the white people around didn't say or do anything. Mint filed a report, the report got closed, people only stepped in and did something once Mint had left after having to deal with situations like this over and over.

You see, for BIPOC in our community, your "some people can't check racism when they see it" and "for some reason thinking `You must do anti-racist stuff or you're bad` isn't true" ideas mean that they are the ones who have to deal with the racists, because the sea of techie trans girls and middle class white folk here have decided it's not their responsibility as white folk to check racism around them when they see it when it ABSOLUTELY is.

@viomi @luna @haskal Okay, we've heard some about the Mint thing. Didn't know this conversation was about responding to racism when you /see/ it – that's definitely a bit different than having to actively dive in when there's nothing going on nearby.

@IceWolf @luna @haskal

What would you be diving into if you didn't see anything? What do you mean?

@viomi @luna @haskal I thought the original post here was saying something along the lines of "you need to actively go /seek out/ racists and report them or you're Not Doing Your Duty" or something.

I'm not quite sure why. Probably the "there is no just hanging out you need to be anti-racist".

@viomi @luna @haskal Anyway. We obviously /completely/ misunderstood things and are just blowing up everyone's notifications and stressing everyone out for no benefit, so we should probably just slink off. Sorry.

@IceWolf @luna @haskal

I think instead of slinking off and hiding, you should recognize that you are contributing to racism by not being anti-racist.

It is literally white people's duty right now to actively seek out and remove racism. We can't expect BIPOC to do that themselves?

Like, us going to protests is literally the same thing. It's actively going out to fight racism instead of hiding in your apartment and vibing.

@viomi @luna @haskal Yes, but the whole point is, not everyone CAN go out and actively fight.

@IceWolf @luna @haskal

Why not? Is it that hard to type out a response and explain to someone that they are being racist?

@IceWolf @luna @haskal

Because I promise being a BIPOC and watching all of the white people around you shun off fighting racism because they feel like they are incapable for some reason and having to fight it all yourself is way fucking harder than going out as a white person and trying to remove racists from your spaces.

@viomi @luna @haskal Wait. It seems like we're talking about two totally different things here.

There's jumping in when you /see/ someone being racist. That's like jumping in if you see some bad thing happening.

And then there's /actively wading in/ when there's nothing going on around you, /actively looking/ for fights. That's like protesting.

Do we have it right? Which are you talking about?

@IceWolf @luna @haskal

I'm talking about both. You have to do both those things. You have to actively go out and be looking for racist actors while you're browsing through mastodon. This goes for real life, and everywhere else too. You seek out fascism and remove them. Because WE ARE ANTI-FASCISTS, NOT NEOLIBERALS

@viomi @luna @haskal ...I think this assumes you /do/ go browsing through Mastodon?

But anyway. We should really back away from this thread. We're gonna mute it.

@IceWolf @luna @haskal

Alright. Go ahead and ignore your internalized racism, which BIPOC literally cannot do.

@IceWolf @luna @haskal

Um. Well yes. Until BIPOC aren't getting killed in the streets and we don't live in a systemically racist society.. You do get to actively seek out racism and try to remove it from your communities.

@IceWolf @luna @haskal

I'm schizophrenic. I get an allowance of 0 spoons a day. I can't have a job. Some days I go into a catatonic state and scrawl on everything. I still respond in full, actively, any time I see something racist. Microaggressions too.

@IceWolf @luna @haskal

It is if you saw them pull something before and let it slide because you didn't have the "mental fortitude" to stand up for BIPOC, and then they go and end up hurting someone BIPOC because you didn't talk to them and get them to either correct their behavior or be removed.. then it is definitely Your Fault Personally.

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