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@rats I can’t stop thinking about how geomancy has a parity check.

@grimmware right?? i got some more geomancy reading, i need to dig back into it. need to spend some more time getting a really holistic understanding of it to then try and deconstruct/reconstruct it for this little zine lol

@rats I’m reading “Techniques of High Magic” by Francis King and Stephen Skinner which has a fairly detailed breakdown of the methodology but there’s lots of talk of “good” and “evil” interpretations which is a little monotheistic for my tastes.

It’s the first divination system in the book and I’m pretty confused as to why they started with one of the most horrendously complicated which - as far as I can tell - is based on some pretty in-depth astrology.

@grimmware geomancy intersects with astrology in a lot of deep places - i find astrology not super interesting because it is the one that i encounter by far the most in my personal life already and wanna explore new frontiers. but for that same reason it could be interesting to gain a deeper understanding of it i guess
@grimmware i still need to spend some time understanding the history of the elemental system that hartmann describes in magic, white and black: https://archive.org/details/magicwhiteblacko00hartrich

because it is *extremely* evocative to me and it is easy to map it onto the understandings of metaphysics i got from reading a bunch of philosophy

@rats I feel like a lot of stuff becomes accessible if you can automate the astrology parts (i.e. build a software astrological clock) because I really don’t have much motivation to do those calculations and cross-referencing manually.

Problem is I can’t be fucked to write the code either.

@grimmware
I find doing the math by hand useful just for keeping math skills sharp. The web apps seem to make odd rounding decisions I'm not comfortable with. I've been using geomancy almost exclusively since discovering it in agrippa. I really enjoyed Greer on this subject and the digital ambler blog is another great source of information. It does seem to plug into traditional astrology quite well. It's awesome to see more people talking about geomancy!
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@dukeofpearldiving @grimmware cool! yeah, when i discovered it i was surprised that i'd never heard of it before, because it's extremely interesting and feels really relevant in a cybernetic age

@dukeofpearldiving @rats I think that’s a way I understand these systems best - not by running through the calculations but by implementing them in code to understand the logic, and I notably don’t use tarot apps etc because I want the interpretations and calculations to reflect *my* preferred understanding of the logic.

I’m still very new to all of this though and I think my reluctance to engage with astrology is largely due to the fact that it introduces another dimension of time periodicity which is an extra layer of complexity which I’m not quite advanced enough for yet! I like a lot of the planetary archetypes, it’s just tarred with the “when you were born dictates who you are” thing which I’m not tremendously keen on so I’ll be endeavouring to look at it aside from that.

Really loving this feedback by the way! The pointers on things to read are fantastic and the differing approaches make me reconsider my own assumptions :)

@grimmware @dukeofpearldiving as a semi-related thing, i've also been really interested in sigils in general, and found this series of papers an artist did that was an in-depth analysis of cartoon swear words (grawlixes): https://tellab.home.xs4all.nl/grawlixes/programming.html

i had been thinking about the place of 'randomness' in the process of divination, and this same artist has a quote i /really/ like about how he involves randomness in his art (from https://tellab.home.xs4all.nl/oscillatora.html)

> This is an amplifier with the output fed-back into the input channel. The parameters are set on the threshold that sits right at the moment of self-oscillation creating instabillity and causing the system to flip-flop between two states. It becomes highly susceptible to fluctuations in the enviroment like miniscule changes in power. This creates the paradox of a repetitive pattern of unpredictable behaviour. Chaos within limitcycles.

> I prefer these chaotic machines as a number generator over a random number generator that uses an algorithm as a source because of their obvious accidental clumsiness. Their function is not so much to be totally unpredictable but to be undeliberate. There is no tension in true randomness.

@rats @dukeofpearldiving this was incidentally what I really liked about your interpretation of geomancy - by using bitstreams you output divination symbols as a collateral effect of some intentional practice and that collateral effect is deterministic on what version of whatever programming flavour was the new hotness on the day that the code was compiled or interpreted.

It’s like a distilled side effect of technology and culture.

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