hahaha this sucks so bad
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[Netflix] now routinely ends shows after
their second season, even when they’re still
popular. Netflix has learned that the first
two seasons of a show are key to bringing
in subscribers—but the third and later
seasons don’t do much to retain or win
So the company is trying to get new
subscribers, and wants to keep old
subscribers just happy enough to not quit the
service. And there’s this other tidbit:
Ending a show after the second season
saves money, because showrunners who
oversee production tend to negotiate a
boost in pay after two years.
@em Capitalism is a legal machine learning thing breaking its host like a ML learning to break the videogame to get the numbers to go up. 😭
@em for those interested in the entire article, you can find that here: https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/the-slow-death-of-hollywood
@em np :)
It also links to the quoted article here: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/netflix-plays-new-role-budget-conscious
@em this is the inverse of Victorian novelists stretching stories into serials and getting paid by the word so never ending the story.
@em i really doubt Netflix purposefully ends entire series with 100+ people on staff and production in order to avoid giving a single show runner a pay raise
@BlazerBluejeans @em no im saying its unlikely that a popular show that earns more than it costs would be cancelled just to personally spite someone on production who is admittedly the most disposable and easy to replace — like, i get it, we hate capitalism, but you don’t have to invent false irrational reasons in order to do so
it's arguably a bit worse; the *other* reason shows end so early comparatively is pay increases for performers being in the boilerplate. so the fact that production has to pay money to the humans making the show more over time cuts down a LOT of series early for "financial reasons", i.e., we don't know how to make this compelling without the novelty of being new, and return's too low. 🙄
(frex, Damages, say. it gets canceled, picked up. canceled again, picked up again, denouement.)
netflix now routinely ends shows after their second season, even when theyre still popular. netflix has learned that the first two seasons of a show are key to bringing in subscribers-but the third and later seasons dont do much to retain or win new subscribers.
so the company is trying to get new subscribers, and wants to keep old subscribers just happy enough not to quit the service. and theres another tidbit:
ending a show after the second season saves money, because show runners who oversee production tend to negotiate a boost in pay after two weeks
On the other hand, many series get tired quickly after the 2nd series and just get milked like a cash cow. See lost, under the dome, big bang theory. Even a second series of man in the high castle was a stretch tbh.
@em I'd like to see some more 3rd party verification of this claim. So for this just looks like captured text designed to provoke.
It's a little on the not-believable side. They didn't keep making Orange is the New Black and Stranger Things for no reason.
Netflix has kinda become the Tesla of Entertainment. They're simply bad at their job and keep losing money left and right. To hide it they push out a few shiny, expensive new shows each quarter to attract new customers and investors into their pyramid scheme, while shutting down established shows before they're complete and shrinking the library.
Netflix has more than 20 billion US-$ of debt now, hasn't paid back any of that debt, but they want to spend 15 billion on content in 2019. It's insane.
@em from a purely watcher's perspective, I actually think it's how it should be. There's a law that most sitcoms, no matter what is it about, devolves into a relationship soap opera by the third season. I would rather watch something new with a story line like Breaking Bad rather than the last 9 seasons of The Big Bang Theory.
@em I know :-) What I was trying to say is that a show with a story line is better than an episobe-by-episode sitcom, and the former tend to be shorter. I admit it's only slightly related to the Netflix story, but I'm just a little fed up with never ending empty sitcoms, and thought "the less of that the better" :-)
I'm fine with it if it teaches show writers to END A STORY
all this writing for hope of season renewal has massacred narrative in tv shows
@xurizaemon @em Yeah, the screw the cast idea is unfortunate, but if the show runners know ahead of time that 2 seasons is going to be the max they could try negotiating a higher rate to start with ---
I love tightly done shows and not milking a concept to death. There isn't a single episode of Black Books or the IT Crowd this isn't brilliantly written.
2 seasons is what? 20+ hours of television at least? You should be able to say whatever it is you came to say by then.
@em I'm confused about which popular shows they've ended that early? I can only think of the marvel ones which got cancelled for another reason
Yeah I never expect anything to run longer than 2. At least Santa Clarita Diet and GLOW got third seasons!
@em this has been making the rounds in Sense8 discussions and no one is happy about it. It’s like, just care *a little bit* about the artistic side of shit. Just a little bit.
@em Interesting. The Netflix model has been noted to have many advantages in terms of creative power, but I hadn't thought of such a downside
@em on the one hand I'm down with the idea of writing shows that have an ending rather than stretch until they lose any and all flavor and identity. On the other hand just chopping things after the second season 'because subscribers' feels like a. The wrong reason to do it and b. Not leaving room for exceptions for shows that actually do better as they keep running.
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