What I don't get about Slack or any other 'chat as a service' system is why tech companies would willingly backdoor themselves with a surveillance system to harvest all their most private in-house discussions.

All those chat logs must be worth quite a bit to the right buyers.

but seriously, somewhere between 2000 and 2019 the IT industry seamlessly transitioned from

"we provide precision engineering tools, your data is yours, you should not need to trust us or anyone, mathematics is your guarantee, crypto 4 ever. "


"give us your data. all of it. give. no secrets. hold nothing back. in return we will... train AIs on it.. and provide unspecified 'services'... for someone, who may be you... that can change at any time... and we are funded by, uh. Look, a unicorn!"

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@natecull lots of sysadmins suddenly realised their jobs could get a lot easier if they said:

@paul @natecull I want to push our team at work to switch away from Slack.

We're on the free plan and used up the whole 5 GB (seriously) and I want to propose switching to Riot / Matrix / Synapse before buying a Slack plan. The Slack plans actually look more expensive than just slapping Synapse on a cheap VPS.

Anyone know how Riot compares? I've been running it at home but only for chat, not files.


@CharredStencil @paul @natecull my limited experience with Matrix has been a bit of a nightmare. I understand Synapse is a huge resource hog, and the clients definitely are (of memory, processing cycles, and especially network throughput). If it's just going on a bunch of workstations in buildings with good networks, then it's probably fine, but anything off-site is gonna be rough.

@diodelass @paul @natecull I only use it within our office, but I don't know how the sales team uses it. Slack's client is offensively bad, I switched to Chromium to appease it and it's still slow.

The only thing that does worry me is Synapse's RAM use. I've been running it on my desktop for a while and it's around 112 MB "res" according to top.

@CharredStencil @paul @natecull I don't think Riot is likely to be a lot better than Slack's client?
The ""native"" app is still Electron and the code seems perennially excessively inefficient.

@diodelass @paul @natecull The newest Riot runs great for me in Firefox. Again, desktop with piles of RAM. Firefox says the Riot page is 83 MB. But at least it isn't Slack, which still runs poorly in Chromium.

If I can go back to Firefox at work I'd be happy.

I'm not gonna use Electron ever if I can help it

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