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when was the last time social conservatives have been on the right side of history? pretty sure the last time in american history was back in the 1960s, when conservatives seemingly got it right by condemning the countercultural ideas of the time, but even then, the rise in crime was probably caused by white flight and leaded gasoline instead, and whatever "we were right" points they could claim by saying free love would lead to the aids crisis they squandered by ignoring the aids crisis because it hurt "the gays" more than it hurt them

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and in russian politics, you _could_ say that the conservatives' biggest "win" is that russia is now once again able to "defend" its neighbors and brotherly nations -- from what i can understand, a lot of russian conservatives feel lots of shame because russia didn't defend milo拧evi膰 -- but even then, this requires completely ignoring the fact that milo拧evi膰 was letting his country's military genocide bosniaks

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@devurandom the 60s were also the civil rights movement so I don't really think the conservatives were right then either :p

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@shoofle also true, but i'm treating these two as separate because after all no conservative would admit being against the civil rights movement.

which, like, they don't even go "we think martin luther king had good ideas regarding civil rights, but he was also a communist who believed in redistribution of wealth"...

i'm specifically interested in: what historic "wins" can conservatives claim as their own?

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@devurandom
condemning "countercultural ideas" like civil rights and "maybe not doing genocide in vietnam"? lol

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@venko true. my question was more about "what ideas they can defend?", which w/r/t the 1960s nowadays seems to resolve to "maybe people shouldn't take drugs and engage in promiscuous sexual relations" instead. i absolutely recognize that the countercultural movement _also_ involved civil rights and opposition to the war in vietnam.

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@devurandom
In my opinion "what ideas can they defend?" is inadequate/misses the point because you can frame that question around the merits of the ideas themselves (in which case the answer would be "none of them"), or you can frame it around what ideas conservatives will still defend regardless (in which case the answer is "all of them")

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