nobody knows how real people live

people come into the puppy linux forums on a weekly basis like "yeah im running windows XP right now, Ive got 500MB of ram and an Athlon XP" or something like that looking to use puppy to keep their hardware going.

Every time some dev is like "nobody uses 32 bit PCs anymore just buy a new computer" i wanna fuckin scream

@dysfun altho running a 64bit os on 512 megs of ram sounds like a fast track to the pain zone

@dysfun ill tell ya what it *doesnt* have though is like, any SSE recent enough to run a modern browser lol

@artemis i have a ryzen 9 3900X here with 12 cores and 24 threads and it is just about enough to run a browser. wouldn't like to downgrade.

@dysfun i daily drive a 32-bit intel atom with 1 core and 2 threads, and 2 gigs of ram

@artemis i currently have 519 tabs open in this window. not sure i'd want to try browsing on your machine lol

@artemis well i have a fast processor and a fuckton of ram obvs 😂​

@dysfun not what i mean i mean like how do you even find anything in 520 tabs lmaoo

@artemis sometimes with difficulty, i admit. but usually the firefox bar is't so bad when you remember the title of the tab you want

@artemis this is i should say after i made a conscious effort to try and keep below 1000 tabs. i used to have well over 3k but firefox is just unusable at that point.

@artemis even with most of the tabs paged out, at 3000, just launching a new tab can be a laggy process, because adding and then rendering a tab is clearly a linear process requiring it to scan all of them.

@artemis tbh, until it needs to add/remove entries from the tabbar, it does really well.

@dysfun @artemis (as a previous way too many tabs haver, try just closing them all once a month or 3 months. ime vast majority are actually just stuff you pretend to use/don't want to "lose"; it's still there in history if you actually need to find it. ymmv obviously but helped me break the cycle)

@maxc @artemis i used to get this naturally by firefox losing my session, but that hasn't happened in a while, so indeed this is what i do.

@artemis @dysfun my FF just stops opening tabs once there are 200 of them or so. More specifically, it opens them but does not even pretend to try to load anything

@artemis @dysfun We do that too and we just, open them and forget to close.

@artemis @dysfun I'm with Artemis here.

How do you LIVE like that?

Digital detox, post haste.

Albeit, I'm the sort of individual who sets background images to a single color because I remember when 7MHz CPUs were FAST and a background image load added appreciable delay to boot times and performance.

It still does! I never disclosed it widely but Windows XP can be crippled by using an animated GIF as a background image (pegs the CPU at 99%).

@dysfun @artemis
I have a bunch of tabs and use this to not get OOM killed.

You can have your cake and eat it too.

@csepp @artemis i also use this extension. firefox would be horrific without it 😂​

@artemis @dysfun indeed, I live with a hp netbook that sounds a lot like that.

@artemis oh for sure, but if it was good we'd all still be using them :)

@artemis oh it is. I got a Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W for early testing, and while the 64-bit desktop would nominally run, it swapped if you tried basically anything. And since a Raspberry Pi swaps to SD card it's so very slow indeed

@artemis Puppy Linux is still around? That’s super exciting! I’ve been thinking about setting up a live USB for the times I need to boot into Linux, and now that I know Puppy is still there I’ll definitely be using that

@goofpunk yeah its great, its my primary OS actually, and still great as a live OS

GNU / Linux is the best (and only?) solution to keep these old computers up to date and capable.
I've resurrected some of them thanks to that, both for budget and environmental reasons.
I share your screams!

@coq @artemis new gnu+linux distros don't work well with x86-32, nobody simply tests new versions of the s/w on these machines, thus tons and tons of bugs

@artemis maybe if more folks built their software for 32 bit pcs, i wouldn't be running gentoo on the old netbook

@artemis Everyone who just says shit like "lol buy a real computer" should be forced to do all their work on a Kaypro running CP/M 2 for a month.

@mos_8502 @artemis oh, you are so benevolent. Letting them use CP/M.

You could have cursed them with QDOS/MS-DOS but you, you kind soul, blessed them with Digital Research provenance.

Is this what sainthood looks like? You know, I am almost tempted to make an x86 Linux build of my game - but it is too hard to set that up except via a chroot.

OTOH, Windows 32bit was trivial to build for... mingw-w64 just works.

@artemis people would still use 8-bit computers if the cga screens didn't die with use

@efi honestly im fairly confident a ti-83+ could handle running an email client if it had an encryption coprocessor to implement TLS

@artemis I know something like a zx spectrum can because it's actually been made for emulators, it's just there was a discontinuity in usage when 32-bit started due to things like windows 3

@artemis @efi move up to a Ti-Nspire and its downright easy, those things are packing a relatively fast ARM926EJ-S and plently of RAM. Fairly sure MbedTLS would work just fine too Late Pentium 4s and Athlon XPs are 64 bit. No one has to use a 32 bit cpu anymore unless it's for some specialised device. You can literally get 64 bit computers for free.

@artemis and with a new computer you'd often have an up to date windows again, negating the need to go to linux for most people, hence no year of the linux desktop. Indeed not a helpful attitude.

@newt @artemis (the demo scene would like to have some words with people who think this way)

@artemis @alcinnz tech-related people with little to no empathy? Shocking.

@jasper @artemis @alcinnz For some communities, sure. Then it’s the responsibility of the community to make sure minimum system requirements are obvious and clear.

I’ve seen plenty of instances where the responses to noob questions is a holier than thou attitude. It happens online and offline.

@1ll173r47 @jasper @artemis @alcinnz I've seen the same. I try to kindly remind the "helper" that they're not helping. I'll admit sometimes one of my fellow devs answers questions and it makes me hit my forehead in frustration.

@1ll173r47 @jasper @artemis Ah the characteristic purity spiral amongst the fossbro archetype! Usually strikes me as quite ill-informed...

Btw, I have written definition for this archetype:

@artemis pretty sure we've used antiX for that exact purpose h

have an older athlon xp 3200+ system sitting around and it absolutely flies in antiX, their package builds even target non-SSE2 instructions properly so stuff like firefox runs mostly fine on it, wild

@666666t oh yeah i love antiX, thats what i use on my intel atom netbook

@artemis “Future-proof your computer and buy a 3080ti”
Me who’s eaten rice and beans for 5 nights in a row: “ok”

@artemis especially ironic: I just took delivery on the Betrusted Precursor this year (it is 2022 for any spacetime shifters reading this from other vantages) which I had preordered in 2020.

It uses an FPGA and implements a "soft" CPU.

The CPU? Is RV32 (RISC-V, 32bit).

It runs at approximately 100MHz.

This is extremely cutting edge hardware despite the misperception of "slow" or "constrained" specs.

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