years of community building yet no real world use found for a memes channel

wanted to create a collaborative knowledge database anyway, for a laugh? we had something for that it was called a WIKI

these are REAL discords created by REAL developers

they have played us for absolute fools

@artemis true. i hate how nearly each discord server/guild i'm in has a meme channel. i don't see the point…

@ConfuSomu @artemis avoid having people spamming them (memes) in other channels, of course.

@eryn @artemis yeah, but just don't post them on this server/guild? hmm, i guess if you want to share them with others which are in this guild, you have to post them somewhere, so i understand…

@artemis I'll stop making Discords when people stop hosting their Wikis on freaking Wikia/"Fandom"

@octonine @OchotonidKnight Aside from the obnoxious ads and outdated mediawiki software and such, the problems run way deeper

They have become an actively hostile company. If you ever decide you want to move off their platform, there is not a great way to do it. If you leave the wiki dormant, they will out-SEO you and attract new folks over that way. If you try to delete the wiki or point people to a new off-site wiki, they will perform a hostile takeover of your wiki, remove all your admins, and administrate it themselves.

When blaseball moved of wikia it took, i wish i was making this up, a months long plot with lots of secrecy just to pull it off properly. And even then there was a bunch of ways it could have gone wrong along the way

@artemis @octonine I will never forgive them for what they did to FFXIclopedia. Nowadays I need to use the BG Wiki if I want up-to-date FFXI information.


Discord is no place for storing information long term, and in fact has stamped down attempts at preservation efforts.

@Zephyrmang @artemis wait people actually use it to build knowledge bases? how?!

@bri_seven @artemis

yep. i hate how people end up dependent on these shitty websites and refuse to use an alternative because theyre in too deep

@Zephyrmang @artemis it’s especially galling when you tell them beforehand not to do the thing, and then come begging for your help when it goes wrong

@bri_seven @Zephyrmang @artemis idk either, discord is clearly made for socializing online, not for that, I wonder how anyone could have such a terrible idea

@Zephyrmang @artemis Stuff that should be on the wiki being located on a fan discord instead only for a pissy mod to have a tantrum and delete literally everything.
I remember one where a VA came in for an interview and answered some important questions only for that event to happen

@artemis discord was made for gamers and i will never understand it other than for that. ive also noticed more and more devs are developing very shallow and linear thinking with shitty attitudes. github has a great wiki setup which makes more sense than discord.

@artemis I have a discord for my game, it's for CHAT, everyone is well aware that information must be persisted elsewhere* because discord is awful at persistence.
No meme channel, no memes anywhere, every once in a while someone gets really mad about that and we end up with one fewer toxic user, somehow we survive.
*We also have a website and a wiki and an irc channel and a subreddit and a code repository and an issue tracker. Turns out there is no one size fits all solution.

@gendor depends the workflow you're looking for. If you want to go classic, MediaWiki is still going strong and a solid choice.

If you don't feel like self-hosting, github wikis are an ok choice (as much as i loathe the company). Mainly because, I think this is not well known but, you can actually `git clone` a github wiki and it is just a bunch of markdown files. For example, try `git clone So you are not vendor-locked in, but you can take advantage of the workflow.

These are the two I reach for, but there are many more. Whatever you do avoid Fandom at all costs. They are hellspawn and employ REAL HUMANS to ACTIVELY try to lock you in if you try to leave, won't let you delete your wiki, will just take it over as their own if you do. It's BAD

@artemis AFAIK GitHub wikis make it hard for others to contribute, i.e., if they're not already contributors to your project?

TIL wiki hosting services are called wiki farms 😍 when I just came across

Thanks for the heads-up about Fandom. Looks like Miraheze may be a good option for a free hosted MediaWiki solution?

@gendor oh I did not know about this wikipedia page before thank you! this is definitely an area where im less familiar than I'd like to be, and GOOD point about the barrier to entry on github wikis

@gendor @artemis I haven't used it yet, but XWiki looked like a very capable software on FOSDEM presentation. For example, it allows creating forms and them using collected data in articles.
TiddlyWiki is also interesting and it is very easy to host, but the concept of a "non-linear notebook" is confusing to me.

@nawordar @artemis XWiki looks pretty interesting, and they have a wiki farm for individuals and non-profits at

I've played around with TiddlyWiki in the past, but IIRC it's more meant as a personal wiki / knowledge management, not for communities?

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