hot take: don't demonize people who do things to customize their appearance. this includes plastic surgery and hair loss treatment

@SuricrasiaOnline my problems with those bodily adjustments is how they play into dominant physical modes, attraction, and anti-body-positivity.

@johnpierremaeli but why demonize the person who does them? who does this help?

@SuricrasiaOnline I don't think I'd demonize them. I'd use them as example to other people considering bodily adjustments to reconsider.

@SuricrasiaOnline plenty of people get bodily adjustments for non-vanity reasons, too. Which I have no problem with.

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agree that individuals shouldn't be demonized, but we should consider the reasons why people feel they need to change themselves and who benefits from that desire. this applies to the beauty and weight loss industries as well.

@SuricrasiaOnline @johnpierremaeli having access to body mod/beauty products/weight loss stuff is a privelege as well that can exacerbate class differences

@fox @johnpierremaeli oh for sure. the pressure to make people feel bad about their appearance is terrible. however I would also argue against thinking that people are "giving in" to that pressure when they do cosmetic surgery. that makes a very strong assumption about what their motivations are. and when you don't know this person, you cannot know that

@SuricrasiaOnline @johnpierremaeli certainly individuals shouldn't be held responsible, akin to how trans people shouldn't be attacked or whatever for assimilating to gender roles. I think the class thing is pretty key though since access is generally determined by how much time and money one has. also being more rich gives you more freedom from societal expectations as well as ability to dictate those expectations.

@SuricrasiaOnline @johnpierremaeli A friend of mine was so self-conscious about her breast augmentation she timed it with a job change so she wouldn’t take shit at work. I was the only friend she could discuss it with. Everybody else told her she was maiming herself, antifeminist, etc.

She’s sweet and funny and brilliant. It makes me sad so few people wanted to allow her sovereignty over her own body.

@mkb @SuricrasiaOnline honestly never approached it in terms of bodily autonomy (always in terms of cultural bodily hegemony). Which does leave out a large chunk of the issue.

@johnpierremaeli @SuricrasiaOnline I’m a sucker for a unifying theory. This way I get to address abortion, drugs, and body modification with a single concept. As a bonus, I only have to remember one concept. :)

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