Here's a question: Does the fediverse need to have millions upon millions of users to be successful?

The answer in my opinion is no. The metric of success should be how good of a community it has cultivated. And how much fun people using it has had.

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The desire for unbounded growth of users is based in capitalism's need for unsustainable growth. I think we should reject this.

@SuricrasiaOnline I'd rather have a smaller, functional community than something that tries to be the be-all and end-all for everyone.

But by the same token, we need to reach out to marginalized groups, groups with accessibility needs, etc., who are so often overlooked by anything else that could be (mis)construed as an 'alternative'.

User counts mean next to nothing, but the culture counts.

@SuricrasiaOnline Metafilter, the WELL, SDF, etc., are all EXTREMELY successful.

@gaditb @SuricrasiaOnline And no one said that the users of these communities can't be on multiple platforms 😀

@SuricrasiaOnline I think we've tried every realistic variation on "global internet community that anyone can join" - they all eventually develop a samey sort of culture, to the extent they have a culture at all. I'm wildly in favor of tiny communities which are all very different - even though that means never reaching the aspirational levels of use that drive huge tech company valuations. Huge valuations are just another way of saying "your users will see lots of ads", anyway.

@SuricrasiaOnline But the downside is obvious - we've all tried those huge communities, they're super active, and any minute you want you can find a conversation to jump into to feel socially connected. In my smaller communities, I sometimes feel that something's different, maybe even wrong, when five minutes go by without anyone posting. If we're going to live with these smaller, better communities, we gotta let go of that sense that something should always be happening. I don't know if I can do that.

@SuricrasiaOnline tbh, i think it can be out of a desire to be a welcoming space for more people than just out of a desire to see number go up, and in that case, then it’s not a bad thing imo

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in some quarters, I suspect we already are

the corps have lost so much trust amongst so many, and the law is seen as a tool of the corps by many

and the USian culture of "MUST PROFIT" means that USians who can't "legally" have a business (say, someone skilled who wants to repair electronics but can't rent offices/space) will do it "for friends" under the table

eventually the law will have to pick between "go after hundreds of thousands of small fish" or "hunt five whales"

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in theory the FTC is still capable of reining in a lot of tech "services" and "products" but they got pushed aside while the corps had free reign from Raygun (IIRC), so we'd need to mobilize the FTC to actually take steps indicating they want law enforcement to specifically take down some incredibly difficult prey

I'm thinking the way this might happen is people about my age but with more resources (between "nearly doing well" and "somewhat lucky", moneywise) getting active

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