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@KevinMGranger Kotlin's nice!

If you ever want Kotlin without the Java, might want to look into Swift. It also has /really/ good C compatibility. :3

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@frostclaws I've been meaning to. I'm entering the trough of disillusionment with Rust and I'm curious about Swift.

Is the ecosystem still unfortunately apple-dependent?

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@KevinMGranger Nope! It has official Linux support now!

And that calling out to C is a big deal - means you can use it with C libraries even if there are no Swift ones for whatever you want to do. [Which, I don't think there are many Swift-/native/ libraries on Linux, yet.] I'm doing that with PulseAudio. :3

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@frostclaws "I don't think there are many Swift-/native/ libraries on Linux" is exactly what I was worried about, though.

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@KevinMGranger Yeah, that's not really a thing... yet!

Although, does Kotlin really have a bunch of native libraries either? I /guess/ there's the Java ones.

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@KevinMGranger I think we just tend to do things that don't require a bunch of native libraries, the times we've used libraries it's been things like PulseAudio that's just C anyway. :3

[Swift has a lot of stuff built into the standard library 鈥 including like, /networking/ even 鈥 so you often just don't need to link out I think.]

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