@Alamantus hum, then structured communication shouldn't happens via email.

Because having H12,3,4,5, bold and the like do help to get ones point across.

@kyzh I mean, *basic* HTML like that is fine, but all this garbage with columns and images and responsive design and everything is just absolute hell, and all the cool apps that are meant to help with it simply can't address the abysmal and contrary support that all email clients provide.

@Alamantus @kyzh Agreed. I'd argue that much of it should also be outlawed from the web as a whole.

If you need variable placeholder sizes or fancy animations to transition between pages, you're on the wrong platform. Get an offline app and leave the interconnectivity to the more efficient methods so as to not eat up bandwidth and destroy people's computers. This is why the mobile web is unusable, after all.

@Alamantus @kyzh if e-mail clients could agree on a sane subset of HTML that they support, Iโ€™d be all for that. But they havenโ€™t, so HTML (a bad, poorly defined subset) is where weโ€™re at.

@kyzh @Alamantus POP4 should just markdown. You get all the good things about html email without the invisible pixels, 1000+ lines of JS, and it's readable in a text only email client.

@Alamantus @squeakypancakes that would be pretty cool to be honnest.

I'm not holding my breath thi

@kyzh @squeakypancakes Yeah, I have no illusions that it would ever actually happen, but dang, that would be wonderful...

@Alamantus Now I have the idea of converting mails to narkdown using pandoc (or similar) on minimal settings before displaying them. Not sure if pandoc is completely secure, but at least it doesn't execute code and so on.

@squeakypancakes
Neither POP nor IMAP are relevant, because both are transport protocols.

You're thinking of the Internet Message Format (tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5322).

Maybe there are other relevant RFCs, but I currently cannot find one that standardizes HTML E-Mails.

@cambridgeport90 I mean, *basic* formatting HTML like headers, bold, etc. is fine, but all this garbage with columns and images and responsive design and everything is just absolute hell, and all the cool apps that are meant to help with it simply can't address the abysmal and contrary support that all email clients provide. Emails should look like emails, not websites.

@Alamantus Better something standard like HTML than mailing Word documents around.

Even though it does make it hard to stick with my command line tools . . .

@kcoram Sure, and for formatting, it's fine, but emails should look like messages, not websites. It should convey content, not design. If you keep it simple like that, then it doesn't have to be hell trying to get it to look even remotely similar in different email clients...

@Alamantus Very true! I agree with most of the discussion that happened between when I replied (only saw one other reply at that point) and when I see my comment in the message thread.

If people want to send me a whole busy/responsive website they can send me a link to it. And like the paranoid email reader that I am, I can ignore the link and/or flag it as phishing :D

@amolith @Alamantus and when a bank sends a multipart MIME message with the text/plain portion purely telling their customer to "upgrade" their mail client, that should be illegal too.

@Alamantus
Absolutely. I wrote a plain text mail with only three lines of text.

Then i wrote the same Email in html and compared:

The HTML-Email was 10x bigger then the plain text version ... with the same content.

People who write HTML-Mails wanted you to get a "Mailbox full" Message ... constantly *g

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